Hold On to Your N.U.T.s
An Interview with Wayne Levine
Its the King in you that makes choices.
Seated in a good way, you are able to bless your
internal kingdom with harmony and peace. However,
if in shadow, your king may very well be a
high-chair tyrant with your inner child dictating
demands from a Golden throne.
This was one of the more powerful themes in
Wayne M. Levines book, Hold
On to Your N.U.T.s* - The Relationship Manual for
Men (*your Non-negotiable, Unalterable
Terms.)
In order for a man to make the best
choices in his life, he must first know how he
feels, Levine began. Men are too often
disconnected and relegated to the shadow. It is
important for men to understand their own shadow
and gold. Robert Johnson talks about this issue;
when you know how you feel, then you can figure out
what you want. A man must be able to work through
his shame, and find that little boy inside who is
screaming.
What about the happy boy, I asked.
The little boy who wants to wrestle, play,
or act stupid
we honor that side; we call it
one of the three dimensions of men.
Levine began his mens work about a dozen
years ago with Justin Sterling, and referenced a
concept he learned from him.
Theres a Curly character
from the Three Stooges whos in every man.
Its important for the man to embrace that
wacky, irreverent, Puckish character. The shadow
little boy Im talking about needs to be
silenced. He is moody, wants women to read his
mind, wants what he wants when he wants it, and was
never fathered properly
hes that
little guy running the show for most men. (If the
Curly reference sounds familiar,
youll see it mentioned in my interview with
Jim Belushi. Levine crossed paths with the famous
actor when they were both participants in the
Sterling Mens Division.)
What about healing the little boy?
In order to be the man you want to be, you
must act like the man you want to be, not the
little boy, he continued. Who is it
thats really telling you how to behave? Is it
the man or the boy? One of the ways to heal the
little boy, is to act like a man. The more you step
up like a man to honor commitments, the more that
screaming little boy will be silenced, and
eventually healed.
Levine has a Masters degree in Clinical
Psychology from Antioch University in Los
Angeles.
I have training to be a therapist, but
Ive chosen not to pursue that path. I think
we can get lost in psychology, lost in therapy, and
lost in the problem. I see the value in spending
more time in the solution than the
problem.
Levine is the founder of Mentor4Men.com, a life
coaching and mentoring resource for men. He mentors
men from across the country and as far away as
Australia via phone (and Skype or ichat.) He helps
them to be the best men, fathers, husbands and
leaders they can be by helping them to integrate
the BetterMen Tools (from his book) into their
lives.
I smiled when I saw the book, Hold On to
Your N.U.T.s reading the book was
equally enjoyable.
N.U.T.s are the boundaries that define you
as a man, the things youre committed to,
those things which, if repeatedly compromised, will
gradually but assuredly turn you into
a pissed-off, resentful man who will likely blame
others especially your wife for your
unhappiness. from the book
Levine told me he got much of his sense of humor
from the great Borscht Belt comedians
who got their start up in the Catskills
Mountains.
Mens work does not have to be
painful ALL the time, its painful enough
making changes. If we cant laugh at
ourselves, were doomed. We laugh a lot in our
groups and at our weekends where we play some
really stupid games. We found there is as much
growth for men in games as in the heavy duty work
around anger and grief.
As director of the West Coast Mens Center
in Agoura Hills, CA, he has created the BetterMen
Retreat for men. Levine said he knows many men
from The ManKind Project. I asked him what his
perceptions were of New Warriors.
I have a lot of buddies who have done the
weekend (NWTA). What I understand of it is that
its mythopoetic, and its a journey. I
believe there are elements similar to the Sterling
weekend which I did many years ago. My introduction
to mens work was through an initiation. The
feedback Ive received from your weekend is
positive.
The author noted he had read the infamous
article from the Austin newspaper.
When I read that I said, Hey, that
kind of reporting is bound to happen when you do
something as serious as carpet work--taking men
back to their initial drama--and youve been
at it for a long time. Its potentially
dangerous stuff for anybody. There will always be
men who dont have the ego strength to do this
work. Theres no way to avoid the occasional
negative experience. In todays litigious
society, its tough to do any meaningful work
without being a target.
I had to ask, How secret is your
initiation, Wayne?
Confidentiality is an important component
to all mens work, he insisted. I
dont lose sleep if men talk about the weekend
with their buddies - they know it wont do
them any good if they hear about the weekend out of
context. We encourage men to talk of their
experience and how they think another man would
benefit.
In the early 1990s, Sterling mens
work became so secretive that it started to back
fire, Levine said.
With the Internet, when you have
disgruntled customers, everyone is going to hear
about it. I believe it doesnt serve men to
try and keep a lid on the information. We are
counting on the integrity of men, were
counting on each other to be there for the changes
that occur in mens lives
integrity for
all the work includes keeping the details of the
weekend under our hat.
How Jungian oriented is your work?
Its always been difficult for me to
wrap my head around archetypes. Although I find
C.J. Jungs work fascinating and relevant, I
also think its very heady - it doesnt
resonate with all men. I believe there are many
tools and teachings to help men along the journey.
I can only teach well what resonates for me. So I
prefer to teach more practical tools that will
allow men to make immediate changes in their
lives.
Levine said he hadnt received enough
tools to continue his personal work
after his Sterling experience.
If you go home and dont know how to
apply what youve learned, you will have
frustration because you cant make it show up
in your life. I created this book to make these
tools more available to all men, even if you never
do a mens weekend.
I thought the layout of the book was excellent.
There were periodic tips and
tools and WARNINGS and
BetterMan Actions that spiced up the
reading. The book was fun and so was my
interview with Levine.
Levines writings are directed at
developing healthy relationships, primarily
heterosexual ones. And yet I think the principles
apply to all relationships.
When you learn to express your feelings
without defending them, youll be giving her
[him] what she needs, strengthening your
relationship, and feeling much more like the best
man you can be. Expressing your feelings will also
help you avoid the anger, stress, resentment,
depression and a host of other undesirable
emotional and physical outcomes that come
with stuffing them. from his book
The author said that in his experience, he saw
that the majority of men were in pain around a
relationship theyre in or want to be
in or were in.
I focus most of the work around what men
want in their relationships. And yet, everything we
talk about goes beyond that to the relationship we
have with ourselves. I want men to get power back
into their lives to affect that change in their
relationship, but more importantly for themselves.
I encourage men to focus on their own spiritual
path, their higher purpose, and the legacy which
goes back to the initial question what is it
that men want? The blessings for their
relationships are a byproduct of that
work.
Levine became more animated in his voice as he
talked of a mans legacy.
Deep down, men want to leave something of
value behind. We invite men to ask, What is
my legacy? For many men, its their
children. There are too many men in terrible pain
because they are not being the fathers they want to
be. We help them get fathered so they can father
their children. We want them to go home and be the
father they want to be. Its a really big part
of our work. Once the kids grow up, the men are
usually ready to look at the rest of their
lives.
Another want from Levine, is to help men become
service oriented.
Were giving men an opportunity, like
you are Reid, to give back. When men find their
passion, their higher purpose, they become more
realized spiritually speaking. But the trap
is
and Ive seen this in some circles
of men
is what I call spiritual
bypassing - where men go to the mountain top
and commune with God but cant get it together
back here on earth. They have a great, meaningful
experience with the men on the weekend, then go
home and remain the idiots they had been with their
wives and children, and end up kicking the dog.
Ive seen spirituality as a place where men
can hide out. Thats why I focus on
earth-bound work. Its very difficult to be
genuine on a spiritual path if you havent
cleaned up your commitments in your own
backyard.
So, Wayne
dont you think your book
title is just a tad sexist politically
incorrect?
I hope so. I think men are lost in the sea
of a feminized world. Thats why I came up
with the title of the book - men already know what
it means to give their nuts away. Theyre
terrified of displeasing women, or wives, or
customers, or children - they wont stand up
for themselves. And, the biggest obstacle is the
men themselves. Were experiencing several
generations of men now who are completely
feminized; they see the world through their
mothers eyes because their fathers were not
around. Ive seen it across the board
Ive never met a man who didnt need this
work
even those with smiles plastered across
their faces. How do you explain to a man that
hes missing something in his life hes
never had before? Theyve never had an
intimate relationship with other men, never seen
it, and their fathers didnt model it. Men
dont realize how its killing them, by
not having it. And its easier than you think
to get it.
Nothing in popular culture teaches a man how to
trust another man, he added.
In psyche school, they talk about
underserved populations in therapy. And yet, they
never discuss men, what I believe is the largest
underserved population in the world of therapy!
Higher education is highly feminized and
politically correct, psychology even more so. And
in that environment, men are getting the short end
of the stick
His father died when Levine was only 9 years
old.
I was parented by an angry, narcissistic
mom who never forgave my father for dying and
leaving her with three boys and pocket change. She
was depressed most of her life, never remarried,
and hated men. Somehow I was strong enough to
survive. I found my purpose in life was always
there. At the age of 39, I chucked my video/film
business and went back to school.
So what do you want? What does the king in you
want? For me, the kings greatest contribution
to the psyche is to be present.
Its like being a rock -
but in a good way, Levine agreed.
Youre able to listen and be there for
someone else without having to fix them, or argue,
or hide, or defend yourself
and being
unscathed and unchanged when theyre done
sharing themselves. Men need to be initiated
to be in the fire with someone else. I work to be a
rock where a mans pain can crash
on me and Ill still be here. Youll know
that I hear you. And, itll be safe because
you wont destroy me, scare me, or annihilate
me.
My king was inspired, and empowered after my
connection with Levine.
All roads lead to the truth when
youre motivated, he stated. All
roads lead to authenticity if youre ready and
have the courage of a man, and the support of the
men.
Do you have a blessing for the men of MKP, and
men around the world?
I keep saying to myself, care for
the men. I do care for the men. And, like any
wounded healer, Im doing my work everyday
with and through the men around me. Im not
naïve about that. If I had it all together,
why would I be attracted to mens work?"
"I was taught to trust the men, and to trust the
process," he concluded. "So I encourage the men to
ask themselves this question every day, If I
was the man I wanted to be right now, what would I
do?
To learn more about Levines work, to
purchase his book, or to speak with him about
individual mentoring, visit www.BetterMen.org
© 2008, Reid Baer
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The fame you earn has a different taste from the
fame that is forced upon you. - Gloria
Vanderbilt
Reid Baer, an
award-winning playwright for A Lyons
Tale is also a newspaper journalist, a poet
with more than 100 poems in magazines world wide,
and a novelist with his first book released this
month entitled Kill
The Story. Baer has been
a member of The ManKind Project since 1995 and
currently edits The New Warrior Journal for
The ManKind Project www.mkp.org
.
He resides in Reidsville, N.C. with his wife
Patricia. He can be reached at E-Mail.
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